This post is in response to a few other questions I have received. I have divided the questions in separate posts for the sake of readability.
Although we have been discussing some great topics, I will by no means suggest that all of God’s actions can be understood within the limited confines of human reason. We may propose answers to what is ostensibly incongruent; however, we must eventually come to grips with the fact that what we offer is speculative though highly plausible.
1) Why didn't God create people in Heaven?
A possible reason why God decided not to create us in Heaven is because God wanted us to be “flesh,” from the dirt, “human.” Now, anyone else’s guess as to why God chose those elements instead of others is just as good as mine. However, there is this idea that God wanted to create finite beings from the earth itself. We would do well to remember that creation had only fallen after Adam and Eve disobeyed God. Although one would assume that being created in Heaven may infringe upon our will, I don’t see that explanation as necessary. It could very well be that God saw it as good for humans beings to not only be made of the earth, but live in the land that He created as good – a land that we would corrupt through our decisions.
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"It could very well be that God saw it as good for humans beings to not only be made of the earth, but live in the land that He created as good – a land that we would corrupt through our decisions."
But He is omnipotent. He would know that it would be corrupt by us. So he willingly doomed billions upon billions of lives to hell so that he could try to get a few people to 'be good'? That is not a all-knowing and loving entity.
Are you dooming your child when you send him/her into a world that you know very will "corrupt" him/her? Aren't we somehow responsible in the matter of whether or not we will be "doomed?"
No. I don't believe in God or in Hell.
Now that's a copout if I've ever seen one=). You didn't even answer the question. Why do you send your child into a world that will very well "corrupt him/her?"
And please don't answer, "I don't have children." That would be even more of a copout than the first=).
I have two children. I will send the into a world that COULD corrupt them. But I will teach them my moral values and instill that human life is to be cherished. If I had a choice of making my own world that was only 'Good' (as I define it), I would do that am put them in it. Or if I had the power to ensure that they would be 'Good' and not have the ability to be corrupted, I would most certainly do that. Apparently I have more love and compassion for my own children than God has for his (according to your Bible.)
Excellent assertion=).
God had two children. He sent them into a world that COULD corrupt them. But, He would teach them what was moral and instill it upon their hearts. God did make a world that was only "GOOD" until they CHOSE to corrupt it.
And so now he decides the punishment for their corruption is to eternally torture nearly all of their offspring.
Nice. :(
Again, I am feeling morally more 'good' than your God.
No, once again, God will judge them each accordingly. I told you I can get into the topic of salvation if you want. By the way, since you have no transcendent anchor by which you can hang "your morals," are your critiques against God anything more than an emotion? Please see the 10 questions left unanswered and my response to your comment in "For the Record..."
"No, once again, God will judge them each accordingly."
No, your God is omnipotent. He knows ALL. All that is, was and ever will be. He knows their fate BEFORE he even created them. (Doesn't that sound silly?)
I think you are confusing omnipotence (all-powerful) with omniscience (all-knowing). Yes, God is all-knowing. His knowledge does not take away our freedom. What He foreknows is how we will FREELY decide. For exmaple, I foreknow that you will Freely choose to pee tomorrow morning. However, it isn't my knowledge that makes you choose to do so. Furthermore, God's knowledge does not determine what humans do. Rather, what humans do determines what God knows.
"I think you are confusing omnipotence (all-powerful) with omniscience (all-knowing). Yes, God is all-knowing."
My bad... I knew that. :)
He is omnipotent AND omniscient, correct?
"What He foreknows is how we will FREELY decide. "
Then you are saying that he is NOT omniscient. He is just clairvoyant.
BTW: Are we having fun yet?!
I love stimulating discussions and I applaud your ability to put up with my comments. :)
"Then you are saying that he is NOT omniscient. He is just clairvoyant."
No, He is actually omniscient - possessing all knowledge - and how we will freely decide. He doesn't have to guess - He knows it all.
No need to commend me, I enjoy this stuff=). Although I will step out for a moment, I will be back to discuss any comments you have. By the way, there are about 10 unaswered questions=).
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